tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6648700617583958103.post7435453144176586818..comments2014-12-11T19:34:29.345-08:00Comments on The Four Horsemen of Warhammer: Chaos - Lessons LearnedKaratekidhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12711590218428889757noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6648700617583958103.post-67100365744939207262012-10-22T10:44:05.118-07:002012-10-22T10:44:05.118-07:00if the termies go first, they are being charged wh...if the termies go first, they are being charged which only amounts to 10 attacks for them. This allows them to cause 2-3 wounds average...they then lose 2-3 termies in the first round of combat and will lose an additional 2-3 in the second round before they get to go. So, either way, you are looking at a Daemon Prince winning the combat with 1-2 wounds left. Obviously the TH/SS termies put up a good fight and can hurt the prince, but a single unit of them is not going to reliably be able to kill the prince (of course with "Basil Dice" who knows :p)Karatekidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12711590218428889757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6648700617583958103.post-82543101590059325232012-10-22T10:35:41.914-07:002012-10-22T10:35:41.914-07:00Doubles Strength to max of 10. So I would have be...Doubles Strength to max of 10. So I would have been wounding on 2's instead of 4's.Karatekidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12711590218428889757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6648700617583958103.post-32489628368649214902012-10-22T10:20:40.110-07:002012-10-22T10:20:40.110-07:00What if the terminators go first (because they for...What if the terminators go first (because they force you to charge them into cover), would that make a difference? I am thinking no, at least with just 5.Himkanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17543887584361076921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6648700617583958103.post-69770247209494842962012-10-22T10:15:09.049-07:002012-10-22T10:15:09.049-07:00What advantage does smash give you though, Dread k...What advantage does smash give you though, Dread knights are monsters, not vehicles (or does it double strength in addition to re-rolls to penetrate?) Don't remember off the top of my head.Himkanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17543887584361076921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6648700617583958103.post-69508940367194338782012-10-22T09:07:06.023-07:002012-10-22T09:07:06.023-07:00I would also like to point out this from the ruleb...I would also like to point out this from the rulebook FAQ...I didn't realize this, or else I would have made the Smash attack against the DK's. <br /><br />Q: The rulebook says that you halve your Attacks characteristic if<br />you perform a Smash attack. However, if a Monstrous Creature has<br />an uneven number of Attacks, (3 for example), but has charged that<br />turn, does it receive the bonus Attack for charging before or after<br />halving its Attacks? (p42)<br />A: You halve the model’s Attacks characteristic first, then<br />apply any additional modifiers. In the example above, the<br />model would halve its Attacks first (rounding up to 2), then<br />receive a bonus Attack for charging.<br /><br />So, reading that, I would only lose 2 attacks total (halving the attack Characteristic rounding up leaves me with 3 attacks). after Halving I would still get to add the D6 attacks, so I would have been wounding on 2+, and likely would have caused that 4th wound. Good grief, I swear I thought I had a good handle on the new rules. Apparently I still have a lot of studying to do.Karatekidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12711590218428889757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6648700617583958103.post-6946204874557720552012-10-22T08:47:57.398-07:002012-10-22T08:47:57.398-07:00So, your comment about Storm Shield Terminators ma...So, your comment about Storm Shield Terminators made me think...what exactly can I expect from this Daemon Prince against a unit of 5 TH/SS termies. So, I have math hammered it out (I have included every contingency based on all possible rolls on the Daemon weapon whether the daemon charges or not and using a basic Terminator Stat line).<br /><br />I would have included the chart, but it was messy looking in the comment...So, I'm looking at between 1 and 3 dead terminators...this takes into account the reduced WS from rolling a 1 on the Daemon Weapon). Now if we further add the Toughness test, we look at between .33 and 1 more extra kill with no saves allowed, so we are now looking at between 1 and 4 dead terminators in a smaller 5-man squad. 10-man squads become more problematic, but more terminators actually die thanks to the toughness test. So to see what the terminators will do when they hit back...We will consider both when the Daemon is at WS8 and WS9.<br /><br />So, even if the terminators charge and hit at full strength, they just barely come out on top as far as killing the prince. Considering that on average 2-3 terminators die in the first round of combat, the more likely scenario is a prince with 2-3 wounds left and only 2-3 terminators left standing. The second round of combat will usually see the end of the terminators with the prince surviving with 2-3 wounds left. This also doesn't take into account Hammer of Wrath, nor does it take into account some of the nastier boons...or the Black Crusader warlord trait. This is pretty much the basic prince with the Black mace.Karatekidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12711590218428889757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6648700617583958103.post-90633396280700475582012-10-22T06:47:41.427-07:002012-10-22T06:47:41.427-07:00You may be correct, but as Chaos has always been o...You may be correct, but as Chaos has always been one of my armies, I'm enjoying the fact that they are competitive again. If you don't decide to get Chaos, let me know if you are interested in getting rid of some of your DV stuff.<br /><br />As for the Daemon Princes, you may be right as far as Storm Shields, but the nice thing is that most Terminator armies are much lower model count, and 7-12 AP2 attacks with the potential for toughness tests with no saves of any type allowed is still going to hurt even Storm Shield Termies...especially considering that I hit on 3's (rerolling on the charge), and wound on 2's. and the Termies are only going to hit me on a 5. Or Vector Striking for auto hits still wounding on 2's.Karatekidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12711590218428889757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6648700617583958103.post-59096749969207030192012-10-21T22:47:42.047-07:002012-10-21T22:47:42.047-07:00Yea, I'm not worried about the outcome either,...Yea, I'm not worried about the outcome either, as it was a gun game, and very educational for me too (so don't feel bad).<br /><br />I came very close to using my birthday money to go all chaos, and I still might, except I expect that by this time next yea, Chaos will be one of the weakest 6th edition books - I might do it anyway, after all, I did buy 2 Dark Vengence boxes for the Chaos...<br /><br />I fact, I still might order them, but I want to fight against them a few more times first (fighting agasint them is almost as good as proxying them to find strengths and weaknesses)<br /><br />Be careful about over investing in daemon princes. They rocked against my Grey Knights, and against most things, but most other marine armies can field terminators with storm shields, and you don't really have enough shooting to deal with those any way but assault (which is going to hurt)<br /><br />Anyway, it was a good game, and our re-match will be the tourney, if you make it. Himkanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17543887584361076921noreply@blogger.com